I AM STUDYING GRAPHIC DESIGN, I JUST WANT TO KNOWE SHALL I WAIT FOR A P4 OR GO FOR A G4 MAC.ALSO WILL THE P4 BE FASTER THAN THE G4?
IF SO HOW MUCH FASTER WILL IT BE?

quote:Originally posted by russtar_101:
I AM STUDYING GRAPHIC DESIGN, I JUST WANT TO KNOWE SHALL I WAIT FOR A P4 OR GO FOR A G4 MAC.ALSO WILL THE P4 BE FASTER THAN THE G4?
IF SO HOW MUCH FASTER WILL IT BE?

Hrm this sounds quite a bit like someone is just trying to start a flame war, but what the heck...

Well if I was you I'd check out what software you're going to be using (in school?). Then find out if the software is MAC or PC only. If the software is only supported by one type (or if the school only uses one type of machine) then go for it.

-If you can choose between PC or MAC and have a limited budget then go PC b/c they give you MUCH more performance per dollar.

-If you've never used a computer before you might want to consider a MAC because they are a bit easier to use / set up.

-Finally, don't bother waiting for P4. Just get an Athlon or a P3. It'll be quite a while before P4s are both stable and affordable.

-Bash

quote:Originally posted by russtar_101:
I AM STUDYING GRAPHIC DESIGN, I JUST WANT TO KNOWE SHALL I WAIT FOR A P4 OR GO FOR A G4 MAC.ALSO WILL THE P4 BE FASTER THAN THE G4?
IF SO HOW MUCH FASTER WILL IT BE?

Let's see, I don't know? The P4 has yet to be release and therefore that cannot be answered in a truly informative way.

Generally, looking into today's situation, the Mac is generally the superior in graphical design to the PC. This may not always be the case (Athlon anyone ?? ), but it is a decent generality.

Personally, I prefer a PC, but that's because I like to tinker with both the hardware and software and that is not as easy on the Mac. Also, tweaking stuff on the PC is much cheaper (and I can get it faster because it is generally released before the Mac equivalent).

The high-end of PC's are also faster than a G4 (except in a few random Photoshop tests). But the software base for graphical programs is definitely better on Crapple's =)

Just make sure you buy a G4 that will be able to run OS X. (It has kinda high system req's)

Eek Gads, Don't go for the G4! Not unless you like to save your work every 5 minutes to avoid the random lock ups and crashes. Go for an athlon or p3 now and save like %90 over the mac.

Addendum: We are not deaf people so plz stop shouting.

this is a bit of topic but how do u make the "Quote" thing ?

quote:Originally posted by Bateluer:
Eek Gads, Don't go for the G4! Not unless you like to save your work every 5 minutes to avoid the random lock ups and crashes. Go for an athlon or p3 now and save like %90 over the mac.

Did you mean P4? Everyone(yes EVERYONE) knows the Mac Os is much more stable than windows. As far as price goes if you buy a pre-built system HP/Compaq etc. the prices (sure you can find some cheap ones with small hard drives and onboard video) are not that good. Building your own is different story.
If you do go for the G4 get a Radeon. It is offered as a build-to-order-option from apple.
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quote:Originally posted by Geek Boy:
this is a bit of topic but how do u make the "Quote" thing ?

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If you're doing graphic design then you probably want to go for the mac. the mac OS has always been better tuned for graphical design applications than winblows. something running an older digital alpha cpu with a linux/unix solution might be viable also if you can take the time to learn the os.

quote:Originally posted by Bateluer:
Eek Gads, Don't go for the G4! Not unless you like to save your work every 5 minutes to avoid the random lock ups and crashes. Go for an athlon or p3 now and save like %90 over the mac.

What are you talking about? unless ur using win2k, ur crazy to compare PC stability to Mac stability. And although im all for win2k, id still pick Mac OS over Windows. If i could afford a G4, id pick it over an Athlon T-Bird or P3/P4. So what if some benchmarks u saw in an AMD advertisement show the Athlon beating the G4 -- go figure!! And Macs have always ruled graphics... using the seemingly simple ATI Rage chipset, Mac graphics capabilities rival professional-level PC graphics cards... the architecture is so much better, and thats not even taking into account ther FPU and raw processing power of the G4. I havent seen any Athlon or P3 called a supercomputer... have you?

quote:Originally posted by russtar_101:
I AM STUDYING GRAPHIC DESIGN, I JUST WANT TO KNOWE SHALL I WAIT FOR A P4 OR GO FOR A G4 MAC.ALSO WILL THE P4 BE FASTER THAN THE G4?
IF SO HOW MUCH FASTER WILL IT BE?
Is the G4 faster than the pc when it comes to 3d games and doing 3d animation work?
Also is it true that a G4 400 megahertz is faster than 1000 megahertz p3

My Duron 650 will smoke My G4/400 in gaming.
Don't worry about the speed so much, if like you said you are going to be a graphic arts student then get the G4. Ask your teachers or anybody that does graphic design. I work at a printing company and my wife is a graphics designer and just about everyone that does do design for a living has a mac and even more realisticly they have both platforms. As far as 3D I have only used Amorphium and that doesn't seem to bog down either of my machines, but I have always heard Windows boxes are faster (3D) due to clock speed.

As far as OS is concerned, where do you think the Windows GUI idea came from? From Al Gore of course!!

Seriously from the MAC OS. Bill G. was sued because he stole the idea from Mac. but he won out due to more financial backing.

Get an Athlon Ultra (Mustang chip) with DDR memory when it comes out later this year. That should be more than enough

just wait till the new g5s come out...a 700MHz powerPC processor Dont get my wrong, i am strictly a PC guy, but that kind of power will be unreal. I think they are going to a higher pipeline like intel is tho.

which cpu shall i go for,some people say new Amd some say g4 or even g5 or p4.

also g4 too expensive i am only a student. The top g4 around the uk are about £2300 were you can i buy a top range pc for £1500 so shall i go a pc or invest my money on that top rang g4?

quote:Originally posted by toonzwile:
And Macs have always ruled graphics... using the seemingly simple ATI Rage chipset, Mac graphics capabilities rival professional-level PC graphics cards... the architecture is so much better, and thats not even taking into account ther FPU and raw processing power of the G4. I havent seen any Athlon or P3 called a supercomputer... have you?

LOL. Exactly what are you referring to as "graphics processing power"?

If you mean actual card fillrate or texel-rate, you're wrong. Because that ATI Rage card *sucks*. Yes, Really. And by the way, AGP4x (PC) is superior to AGP2x (MAC), so your architecture argument is wrong.

If you mean certain graphics applications run better on MAC's, you're probably right. But that has nothing to do with the AGP card or the architecture. A P3/Athlon will take a G4 to school on the little bus. It's just that the applications received a terrible port (if one at all) to the PC.

As for the supercomputer, yes a G4 might be termed one by some weird law in the US. But in no way is it a supercomputer.

quote:Originally posted by zombor:
just wait till the new g5s come out...a 700MHz powerPC processor Dont get my wrong, i am strictly a PC guy, but that kind of power will be unreal. I think they are going to a higher pipeline like intel is tho.

I don't know if it is true, and I doubt that it is, but I heard that the new G5 has a T-Bird core... (Like I said, sounds fishy to me.)

Hey Alex, I know that y'all don't do much Mac stuff, and for good reason, IMO, but have you heard anything about this? Or is this just a stupid rumor?

quote:Originally posted by Galen_of_Edgewood:
I don't know if it is true, and I doubt that it is, but I heard that the new G5 has a T-Bird core... (Like I said, sounds fishy to me.)

Hey Alex, I know that y'all don't do much Mac stuff, and for good reason, IMO, but have you heard anything about this? Or is this just a stupid rumor?

a g5 using the t-bird core? are you on crack? i'll believe that once intel releases that the p4 is based on the k6-2 core
asimonk

Not that I'm a big fan of Apple and I dont know how they survived this long....

Typically speaking most of your professional graphics businesses are using the MAC. When my father worked for a T.V. station they had a MAC and a PC. They used the MAC for all of their graphics work and the PC for other business apps. A lot of the animated movies that have used computers have been done on MAC systems too. Speed wise I think that PC wins and software and support too. MAC tends to rule the world of graphics.

If your on a budget and can find one the Amiga used to be pretty tight for graphics.
If your in it for serious graphics lean towards the MAC. If your into an all around system go with a PC probably a P3 933 or 1gig. Then get a very high end graphics card. It seems to me that someone, I think Diamond, had a graphics card with features that were for professional graphics.

Hoss

Actually, the price/performace gap is closing between MAC's and PC's. The reason why I will never buy a MAC is becaue they are so UN-upgradable. Face it, the hardware support sucks for MACs. Sure they look pretty, but you shell out allot of dough for a new shiney G4, and then, thats it. It's a G4 forever. At least with a PC, you can upgrade components as they become obsolete, and there is 100000 times more 3rd party support. And how easy is it to purchase MAC hardware? Not very easy.
I will had it to them for graphics....mainly their 'flagship selling point', Photoshop. Hey, you have a $2,500 photoshop machine...good for you....great....But it cant do shit-else.
PC's are faster in most everything else, cheaper, and have more support. These are very important considerations when you make a multi-thousand dollar investment.
Get a fast PC. And dont wait for the P4...that'll be quite some time before the prices drop...Get the fastest P3 or Athlon you can afford. I would personally reccomend a 800MHz+ P3 with a GeForce2 or Radeon. The reason I choose a P3 is because I see SO MANY posts about problems with X mobo and Athlon. Dont get me wrong, theyre great chips, but you dont want to be messin with these little problems that seem to pop up all the time...

By the way, Im a graphic designer, and I use a PC...Love it, and will NEVER get a MAC untill they get more 3rd party support.

my .02
-Ryan

Ryand-you are completely wrong about upgrades. I'm sure you were just trying to get your point across about lack of hardware which is true, but come on. I just sold my old 8500/120 with a G3/300 upgrade and that thing was busting out more work than all the other dead 120MHZ PC's at my work or in all of my friends closets. There are plenty of Mac upgrade options not near as many as the PC, but guess what? When you do an upgrade you can bet it will work. As far as PC's go they do have more support-because they need it.

Pffffft ! G4 !....

I do photoshop work and some 3D rendering with various FPU demaning programs and my Athlon smokes. Bryce runs 2X faster than on a P3 and faster than a G4 too so why the hell would I pay 2000 $ more for that blue crap with NO gaming capability and a NO upgradable machine. Pfffttt....

Now for the P4... pfftt.. wait for the new AMD processor ! With DDR yee ha !

Actually, I think we're missing out on a lot of crucial info here guys. russtar_101 - first of all, what's your budget? Secondly, is your course using a standardised graphics package? If so, is it available on both systems? Are you willing/able to build your own machine?

If you have the knowledge to build a computer and the s/w you will be using is available on the PC, then really your only reasonable choice (as far as value for money is concerned) is to build your own PC. As far as power requirements go, the current processors from Intel and AMD are more than capable enough (depending, admittedly, on what programs you will be using...) and undoubtedly as fast as their Mac equivalents. Since you're talking about a P4, I assume your budget is fairly hefty, in which case the price of a top-spec Mac will easily get you a dual processor PC, which in turn will easily blow the Mac out of the water in terms of processing power. Get yourself one of the new breed of dual FC-PGA boards (I recommend the MSI 6321), plonk in a couple of dirt cheap PIII 650Es and clock them to 866 (about 95% chance of success) and you'll have a machine which will outperform any Mac currently in existence while having invested substantially less of your precious wonga!

The one and only reason for buying a Mac, in my opinion (and yes, I've used and owned both), would be if the s/w used in your course is available for the Mac only, in which case you'll have no choice. Sure, the Mac is cheaper than it used to be, but it's still some way away from being a value for money computer when compared to the PC. As for ease of use, the Mac OS is certainly easier, but the current versions of Windows have equal, if not better functionality and 90% of the ease-of-use. If you go for Windows 2000, it will also be almost as crash-proof as any OS in existence (Unix and Linux excepted, of course). In short, unless you HAVE TO get a Mac, there is no reason why you should get a Mac!

Agrippa

PS. Goldfish, the Amiga is DEAD! Take it from me, who only sold my last Amiga some 6 months ago.

Chevy's RULE!

quote:Originally posted by Galen_of_Edgewood:
I don't know if it is true, and I doubt that it is, but I heard that the new G5 has a T-Bird core... (Like I said, sounds fishy to me.)

Hey Alex, I know that y'all don't do much Mac stuff, and for good reason, IMO, but have you heard anything about this? Or is this just a stupid rumor?

pretty sure this is false...although i think they are using a new core, it will be motorolla's design(which means roughly 6 years of planning ), with a longer pipeline like inel is doing with their procs, so appple can be "faster" to keep up with intel.